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Post by Showmom on Apr 20, 2007 12:44:27 GMT -5
I think your horse is just beautiful. I thought so the first time I saw his picture. I love the golden ones to. I had a small palomino appy for awhile.
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Post by donald on Apr 20, 2007 12:44:52 GMT -5
In answer to Deanne's question: When breeding two palominos you have a 50% chance of a palomino, 25% chance of cremello, and 25% chance of sorrel/chestnut (red). I have become well versed in deciphering color outcomes after owning this stallion the past 5 years, so if anyone has any questions regarding color outcomes for any matings, not just to my horse but any for that matter I can help you identify the possibilities. Donald
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Post by Jay Juahara on Apr 20, 2007 12:59:27 GMT -5
OK, I have one for you. I have a buckskin Saddlebred and looking into breeding her to a palimino Saddlebred. Good idea?
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Post by Sher on Apr 20, 2007 13:11:19 GMT -5
I just couldn't resist looking at the pictures again.... Donald, he is breathtakingly beautiful.
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Post by donald on Apr 20, 2007 13:13:51 GMT -5
Jay, Here are your possibilities - Your buckskin carries black, cream, and agouti. The palomino carries cream and red. The color possibilities are Black, Smokey Black (a black horse with one copy of cream gene and can produce dilute horses - palomino, buckskin, smokey black, etc.) Smokey cream ( a genetically black horse with two copies of the cream gene, this horse will always produce a foal with at least one cream gene. They appear rather vanilla colored). Bay, bucksin, perlino, cremello, palomino, and sorrel. A pretty wide range of colors are possible with this mating. Donald
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Post by Starmom on Apr 20, 2007 20:24:55 GMT -5
Those new pictures you posted just made me drooooool more! Is that you riding him?? Cute kid too!
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Post by Jay Juahara on Apr 20, 2007 21:28:14 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for the info.
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Post by donald on Apr 21, 2007 10:27:21 GMT -5
That is my daughter Amber and i last summer.
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Post by Sher on Apr 21, 2007 13:33:46 GMT -5
Donald, Not that I am going to breed or anything... How does the dominant grey gene factor in with a Palomino for breeding? Example...my grey mare was bay tobiano at birth now grey..if I bred her to a Pal what are the possibilities because I was told that it would always be grey? I have this mares colt and his sire was homozygous black and yet the colt is greying out...very interesting stuff! Side note...funny that your daughters name is Amber( is she blonde? )...I had a palomino named Amber when I was a kid.
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Post by nwequestrian on Apr 21, 2007 22:03:35 GMT -5
Donald, he is stunning! Very impressive to see him in person also(saw him at the stallion parade), gotta say he was the nicest one out there!
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Post by donald on Apr 22, 2007 12:31:33 GMT -5
Horsegal, If your grey mare is homozygous grey then yes she would always produce a grey foal. Were both her parents grey? If they were she has a 50% chance of being homozygous grey. If they were not both grey then she can not be homozygous grey. Regardless of what color she is bred to the foal will be born one color and then grey out if she puts in a grey gene. 100% of the time for Homozygous grey and 50% of the time if heterozygous grey. Grey is a modifier. It changes the base color foals are born with. Most babies when born are very dark in their base coat if they are going to grey out.
So even though your foals sire was homozygous black and the foal was black based it turned grey. If the mare is only heterozygous grey, meaning she carries one dominant grey gene then she has a 50% chance of having grey babies. Having said that though she could produce 100% grey babies because the odds are always possible you can flip a penny and have it land on heads 10 times in a row.
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Post by Sher on Apr 22, 2007 13:16:15 GMT -5
Donald, My mares sire was a ptha bay and white tobiano and her dam was grey. My mare was born bay tobiano her reg says she is grey tobiano. SHe comes from a long line of greys on her arab dam side..the other side is Paint and Qtr and saddlebred. He colt is greying out already and he will be a yearling tomorrow
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Post by donald on Apr 22, 2007 15:36:27 GMT -5
So your mare is not by two greys and is not homozygous grey. She has a 50/50 chance of her babies turning grey.
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Post by Sher on Apr 23, 2007 12:00:55 GMT -5
So I guess its the luck of the draw with the grey. I wonder why its such a strong gene? I would love to breed her again but not for grey. SHe has only had one foal. I wonder what would be as strong of a gene to put up against the grey?
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Post by donald on Apr 23, 2007 13:02:15 GMT -5
She will either put in a copy of a grey gene or not. There is no gene that will not be covered by grey if she adds it in.
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